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SureDrive FAQ

Article ID: 1561
Last updated: 07 Nov, 2017
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SeedCommand with SureDrive electric drives is a 12 volt system, and will directly drive supported seed meters on planters up to 36 rows. Supported seed meters will include (but not limited to) finger pick-up meters and vacuum meters. Individual Row Hydraulic Down Force control can be paired with the SureDrive system, or controlled independently (maximum of 24 rows for Individual Row Down Force). 

***This information is subject to change. Please refer to your local Ag Leader Dealer or contact Ag Leader Technology for the most up to date information.***

Jump to a question below:

  1. Which displays will be compatible with SureDrive electric drives?
  2. What are some of the SureDrive features?
  3. What does the new module architecture consist of?
  4. Is a generator required to operate with SureDrive electric drives?
  5. What are the hydraulic requirements for the generator?
  6. How many amps are the generator capable of producing?
  7. What is the maximum amperage for a single SureDrive electric drive?
  8. Is the SureDrive system ISOBUS compatible?
  9. Will the Multi-Product unlock be required to operate with SureDrive electric drives?
  10. Will SureDrive electric drives be capable of per-row population control?
  11. Which CAN A or "SeedCommand Generation 1" modules are compatible with the Planter Control Module (PCM) and Row Control Module (RCM) setup?
  12. Can the ISOBUS Liquid Control System and/or ISO Hydraulic Down Force be operated on the same implement harness as the SureDrive system?
  13. Can an OEM planter ISOBUS harness be used to connect to the SureDrive system in lieu of an Ag Leader planter harness?
  14. Does the display log vacuum pressure?
  15. Does the display log SureDrive motor RPM?
  16. What does the SureDrive system do if there is a jam in the meter and it can't turn?
  17. What are the requirements for the InCommand 1200 to use turn compensation rate control with the SureDrive electric drives?
  18. How is turn compensation rate control achieved?
  19. How many vacuum pressure sensors are supported?
  20. Does the Row Control Module (RCM) have enough power to run a WaveVision seed tube sensor?
  21. Are split rows controlled individually for AutoSwath control?
  22. If the split rows are offset from the standard rows, does the InCommand 1200 account for this for AutoSwath control?
  23. How will other 3rd party ISOBUS controllers work in conjunction with SureDrives?
  24. Will the SureDrive work with the Precision Planting finger meters?
  25. What size are the hydraulic hoses going to the generator?

Frequently Asked Questions

1. Which displays will be compatible with SureDrive electric drives?
SureDrive electric drives are only compatible with the InCommand 1200 display. Individual Row Hydraulic Down Force is also only compatible with the InCommand 1200 display.
2. What are some of the SureDrive features?
SureDrive electric drives are:
  • Capable of operating at 2-100 RPM (performance degrades below 2 RPM)
  • Bidirectional drive
  • Maintenance free
  • 51:1 gear ratio
  • 4 steel gears and chain driven in a full synthetic bath
  • 12 volt system
  • Installs directly on the planter meter

3. What does the new module architecture consist of?
A single Planter Control Module (PCM) per planter and one Row Control Module (RCM) per planter row.
4. Is a generator required to operate with SureDrive electric drives?
Click here to see if a generator is required.
5. What are the hydraulic requirements for the generator?
The generator requires approximately 6 GPM and at 6 GPM will provide ≈4000 RPM. It is NOT recommended to tie the generator hydraulic supply/return hoses into any bulk fill or vacuum fan hydraulic source. The generator tank hose can tie into fan case drain lines.  
6. How many amps are the generator capable of producing?
The generator can produce ≈200 amps. This is dependent on alternator RPM and temperature.
  • 3000 RPM ≈ 185 amps @ 25 C (77 F)
  • 3000 RPM ≈ 155 amps @ 80 C (176 F)
  • 4000 RPM ≈ 200 amps @ 25 C (77 F)
  • 4000 RPM ≈ 165 amps @ 80 C (176 F)
7. What is the maximum amperage for a single SureDrive electric drive?
One drive is capable of approximately 7 amps.
8. Is the SureDrive system ISOBUS compatible?
No. The SureDrive system is proprietary (only works with an Ag Leader display). However, it communicates on CAN-B using an IBBC connection. 
9. Will the Multi-Product unlock be required to operate with SureDrive electric drives?
No. Unless you want to control independent seed rates or you want to map multiple seed varieties. 
10. Will SureDrive electric drives be capable of per-row population control?
No. At release for the spring of 2017, the SureDrives can be configured up to 3 independent rate sections. (An independent rate section may be single rows with the Seed Rows feature)
11. Which CAN A or "SeedCommand Generation 1" modules are compatible with the Planter Control Module (PCM) and Row Control Module (RCM) setup? This will be dependent on the seed controller.
If the controller is SureDrives, then these are NOT compatible:
  1. 2-Channel Hydraulic Down Force
  2. Seed Tube Monitor Module
  3. Clutch Control Module
  4. Planter Monitor Module (PMM)
    • MUXBUS sensors cannot be plugged into an RCM
  5. 3rd Party ISOBUS controllers
    Compatibility with these controllers is currently under investigation. Further testing is required to identify if other ISOBUS controllers can be operated on the same BUS.
If the controller is a Hydraulic Seed Rate Module or a Stepper Seed Rate Module, these are NOT compatible: (this is an example of a Row-by-Row Hydraulic Down Force configuration, minus SureDrives)
  1. Clutch Control Module
  2. Seed Tube Monitor Module
12. Can the ISOBUS Liquid Control System and/or ISO Hydraulic Down Force be operated on the same implement harness as the SureDrive system?
Yes. A separate harness is not required. 
13. Can an OEM planter ISOBUS harness be used to connect to the SureDrive system in lieu of an Ag Leader planter harness?
No. The Ag Leader planter harness is required.
14. Does the display log vacuum pressure?
No. It is only monitored.
15. Does the display log SureDrive motor RPM?
No. Actual rate is logged, which is calculated using motor RPM.
16. What does the SureDrive system do if there is a jam in the meter and it can't turn?
The SureDrive will stop and trigger a “Motor Stall” alarm on the display that indicates which row has stopped. The operator will need to fix the jam/obstruction, and then cycle the master switch to begin normal operation. 
17. What are the requirements for the InCommand 1200 to use turn compensation rate control with the SureDrive electric drives?
A valid GPS source is required, but there is no limitation based on GPS quality. 5Hz minimum; 10Hz recommended
18. How is turn compensation rate control achieved?
Via the InCommand 1200 on-screen display vehicle/implement modeling.
19. How many vacuum pressure sensors are supported?
Up to 3 vacuum sensors are supported.
20. Does the Row Control Module (RCM) have enough power to run a WaveVision seed tube sensor?
Yes.
21. Are split rows controlled individually for AutoSwath control?
Yes. Split rows are independent from the standard rows for AutoSwath control.
22. If the split rows are offset from the standard rows, does the InCommand 1200 account for this for AutoSwath control?
Yes. Independent hitch-to-application point offsets can be setup for the split and standard rows. For more info, click here.
23. How will other 3rd party ISOBUS controllers work in conjunction with SureDrives?
Currently other 3rd party ISOBUS controllers will need to be connected to a separate display, communicating on its own ISOBUS cabling.
24. Will the SureDrive work with the Precision Planting finger meters?
Yes. The Precision Planting finger meter is a direct replacement of an OEM finger meter. If Ag Leader supports the OEM finger meter for SureDrives, then the Precision Planting finger meter replacement is therefore supported. If Ag Leader does not support a certain OEM finger meter, then the Precision Planting version is not supported.
25. What size are the hydraulic hoses going to the generator?
          Pressure - 3/8"     Return - 1/2"     Tank - 1/2"

Content last reviewed on: 11/7/2017
Reviewed by: AMJ